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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brent Harper wrote:
Funny thing is the same thing happened to me at the FWT. I was on pole and the flagman started us with the off pole guy leading??? Rolling Eyes Ain't supposed to happen that way.


So what you are saying is somebody beat you on the flag. Very Happy We have all got beat that way. We have also jumped the flag numerous times. That is what getting a good start is all about. Whether it is in a car or a kart you try to beat the flag, that is why it is called racing. Rules blah blah blah we are racers and if you can get the jump inside or outside pole who cares. Who gets on the guy who lays back when starting from the rear just to come up the center and gain 5 spots. Man that is just racing.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, if driver makes multiple oval laps and can't either speed up and join the formation or slow down, wait and join the formation it is driver inability or parent coaching lacking. That was not a kidkart class so parents stopping kids to tell them again what they should do or make a standing start (as it was done couple of times last year). How old is Case? 7?

amax, what flag? First row didn't even see the flag, he started waiving it when Angus was not only in front of Michael, but also past him. Did anybody see no green flag before Carl talked to starter?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ihor yes i saw the flag as did ritchie we even commented to each other that angus had got the jump on him. it happens, it is not that big of a deal. If as a racer you get beat on the start you just have to get to moving and try and pass during the race. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is starting to get old. angus has been working on starts all winter. angus didn't cheat or break the rules, as it seems to be implied. angus anticipated the flag and jumped perfectly. so much so that the flagger couldn't pull back the green. the flagger knew immediately that angus got a jump on him, and allen, myself and the flagger joked about it. it's called racing, like allen said. don't try and take that away from him. he has concentrated on this one aspect of the racing all winter and it paid off for him. i was very proud of his racing on saturday in minimax. he planned ahead of time that if he was outside pole he was going to time it perfectly - and he did. you might say that he jumped the start, but i knew what he was going to do, and he did what he planned on doing. angus jumped on the gas just before he anticipated the flagger flinching and it worked. by the first corner he was an entire kart length ahead. i guarantee this, angus will try and get a good jump on the start for every race. for the rest of that race and for the entire feature, angus also drove slower laps cause he was driving defensively. was that blocking as well?
funny thing though. he put so much time and mental energy into minimax, that he totally blew the exact same thing in the cadet race Laughing
and you can't do that when simon is on the track, cause i think he's got the best start of all the kids!
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John Wehrheim



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is called Racing. If the guy on the outside can get the jump and the flagman throws the Green, guess what, we are racing.

Even at the BIG Races this will happen.
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Ihor Bilyy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, this is getting old. Whatever. You just said here and on Saturday that he accelerated and was in front of Michael before the green flag and that is against the starting procedure rules. Nothing against Angus, he did exactly what you told him to do.
Lets close this topic, read my first message again and enjoy first place.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is definetely racing, but it is the result many times of a flagman not doing his job... At FWT the flagman stated multiple times that the race would not be started if the guy on the outside pole jumped???
Alan,
I wish it would've been me and you on the front row then I would'nt have minded giving a hip check into turn one... Laughing Laughing Laughing
BTW I didn't complain about it, I just passed him back on lap 2..
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ihor!!!!! DO NOT TALK ABOUT CASE LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is a nice boy and a nice friend.

He might be a better racer than you.

You need to apologize and delete that post!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brent Harper wrote:
Alan,
I wish it would've been me and you on the front row then I would'nt have minded giving a hip check into turn one... Laughing Laughing Laughing
BTW I didn't complain about it, I just passed him back on lap 2..


The hip check only works if you get the jump on somebody. Very Happy Probably would not work on me. Laughing
I did not say you were complaining just using you as an example that even brent can get beat on the start.

ANGUS DID A GREAT JOB. RACE ON ANGUS.
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