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amax20



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is to bad they did not buy barnesville when it was for sale and do all of this to it. Already zoned and had tons of land beside it for sale at a whole lot cheeper price and less head ache. Of course it was just way to far away from atlanta. you know a full 45 minutes. JMO
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See the site below for messages from the opposition to this park. It's really disappointing to see such alarmists doing everything they can to shoot down a deal like this.

AMP needs to get someone involved in this organization to fully understand their position, then diffuse each of the irrational rants with facts. It might be beneficial to recruit citizens from Braselton that can speak intelligently about Road Atlanta's positive contributions to their town.

http://www.citizens4dawson.org
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with amax, I know it would be good to have other tracks to race on, but this track was going to be for the ones that have big bank accounts, not for country rednecks like me.

Most metro folks don't want racetracks in their neighborhoods. I remember several years ago there was a group that was trying to re-open Middle Ga. Speedway in Byron near Macon, but the residents of local subdivisions put a stop to it.

The Barnesville track has alot of history but I fear in several years it will be gone. I hope I am wrong. JMO
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kerry Wilson wrote:
Agree with amax, I know it would be good to have other tracks to race on, but this track was going to be for the ones that have big bank accounts, not for country rednecks like me.

Most metro folks don't want racetracks in their neighborhoods. I remember several years ago there was a group that was trying to re-open Middle Ga. Speedway in Byron near Macon, but the residents of local subdivisions put a stop to it.

The Barnesville track has alot of history but I fear in several years it will be gone. I hope I am wrong. JMO


I agree. In the very short future the only way new kart tracks are going to be able to be opened is if they have the county and/or city behind them like Jacksonville. Or if you can get an existing track (like AMS) to integrate one into their existing grounds.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main concern is noise. Why not build track where noise is not concern?
- near the interstate;
- by the county airport;
- by the industrial zones;

Who would be against them in such cases?

Trying to build a track by horse farms or residential areas is not well thought decision.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brandon Danke and I attended the hearing.

My observations, for those interested:

In my opinion, the applicant's (Jeremy Porter's) presentation was well done. Supporters of the application made persuasive, intelligent and concise comments which appeared to be appreciated by the Dawsonville Planning Commission members.

Those opposing the application presented typical NIMBY (not in my backyard) comments, as most of these folks reside on or within a short distance from the proposed development. Most comments centered on the perception that noise from the facility will impact local lives and businesses (especially horse farms in the vicinity). These comments were passionate and persuasive from an emotional perspective.

Comments in opposition to the application were made by a lawyer representing an adjacent landowner. The lawyer drew attention to alleged differences between contents of the submitted application and contents of the applicant's oral presentation at the hearing. The lawyer claimed this was a "bait and switch" in violation of the public citizenry's due process rights and that the law requires the application to be considered as submitted or, if the applicant wishes to amend it, the current application must be withdrawn and then a new application submitted. He also argued that the application is for a mixed-use facility to be constructed in multiple phases and, therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Georgia Planning Act, is a Development of Regional Impact (DRI) requiring the performance of additional impact analyses and regional review.

After concluding public comment, various Commission members asked the applicant questions, most pertaining to noise. They appeared to be especially concerned about the impact noise might have on neighboring residents' use and enjoyment of their property and the potential financial impact to neighboring horse farms (concern that noise from the facility will negatively impact the behavior of the horses, therby impacting their businesses).

The Commission carried a motion to table their recommendation on the application for 30 days in order to consider the information presented at the meeting and to research the legal arguments posed by the lawyer.

So, it is my understanding that, barring any other procedural delays, it appears that the Dawsonville Planning Commission will make its recommendation to the Mayor and the City Council (the ultimate decision-makers on the application) in 30+/- days.

Agenda for the meeting:

http://www.dawsonville.com/new/agendas_minutes/Plan%20Com%202008/Planning%20Agenda%20Dec%2017,%202008.pdf

Meeting minutes will be posted on this link (but it may take some time since the minutes must be approved by the Commission prior to being posted - ex. the June 16, 2008, minutes were just approved last night and have not yet been posted):

http://www.dawsonville.com/new/2008%20page/minutes.htm Look in the green section "Planning Commission Meeting Schedule" - 12/15/08
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ihor Bilyy wrote:
The main concern is noise. Why not build track where noise is not concern?
- near the interstate;
- by the county airport;
- by the industrial zones;

Who would be against them in such cases?

Trying to build a track by horse farms or residential areas is not well thought decision.


Ihor,
Good idea.....until the airport closes. such is the case in Jacksonville. New development around Jax103 is will put an end to an historic track in less than 3 years, I'm afraid at least that is the word in with developers in the area.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuck McCue wrote:
How about contacting Bill Elliot, Isn't he from Dawsonville? I know he now lives in Colorado and has a son that is an avid kart racer. A long shot but may be worth the try.

Also maybe AMP energy drink (Pepsico) would want to get a chance of sponsoring a track so close to Coke's HQ.


The land Jeremy's using is one of Bill's brothers, Ernie Elliot's I believe.

It's kind of on the backside of the Elliot racing shops, but across the valley really. The Elliots also have an airfield there, so theoretically it is in the right type of place to do this.

It's interesting. If you look at the land on Jeremy's side of the road, it's still fully forested, but the folks across the street with the stables have already deforested much of their land. I wonder if there was an environmental impact assessment of their clear cut, or the enormous chicken operation around the corner?

Wait and see, I guess.

edit: one more thing, Anna and I run our karts for practice/tuning up here in north forsyth county with horse farms all around us. The folks who just keep horses for their own pleasure have no problem with the noise. I went around and asked after the riding stables to the south made a complaint. One of the private owners pointed out to me that farms aren't necessarily always quiet places, that he had lots of equipment noisier than me.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live fairly close to a track, so let me speak from experience. Just with go karts it is very loud. I love the karts so it doesnt bother me. Now when the drifters were coming it was terrible to live there. The bikes are loud but tolerable. If barnesville where to start running cars i would be the first to be at the court house. When you live in the country and you are use to the quiet you are not going to want cars running next door in any capacity. Now i made the choice to live next to a track and 95% of the time it is great. But for somebody to come in and build a car track next to you that would be another story. Most racer's just come to visit and than go home. If you dont race, and you enjoy the country in no way do you want that going in next door. Now if the go-kart track is there and has been for years (jax) and you move into the area, than that is just tough you knew when you moved there that gokarts ran next door.
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