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Rick



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's good, I saw you had a yellow one the last time I was there and heard that ARC sells it and was wondering. How do you like it compared to the blue one?
We are thinking about putting one together for the endruo and trying to get information just like everyone else does.
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John Wehrheim
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick,
No you can not get a yellow, red or black for this price that I am aware of. But when you buy a motor for Lewis, ARC or others, they are providing a service and a complete setup.
*Removal of Governor
*Removal of Low Oil Sensor
*Install Throttle Linkage
*Chain Guard
*Other parts such as motor mount, header, silencer, etc.

At Barnesville they are all stock, but not every track and organization is running stock. Some are stock and using a filter cup and filter.
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Rick



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK thanks, like I posted above, I am thinking about putting one together for the endruo and trying to get infomation.
I don't know if it would be better to get one already done, or do it myself.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick,
With your skills, just do it yourself. It will be less expensive. It uses a Briggs motor mount, removal of the governor is pretty simple, but there are two ways to remove the governor.
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Michael Jackson



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without seeing the motor in question my guess is it had non stock valve springs and the gear ratio was asking it to turn over 6000RPM for a long time. What type carb stock or bigger? The stock carb is smaller than a Briggs Flathead and the stock valve springs act as a secondary governor and depending on which engine manufacturer start floating in or around 5700-6100. This engine isn't an RPM motor in stock form less governor. With the proper after market equipment billet rod, flywheel and larger carb it will hold up to 8500 RPM and not blow up as you put it. As a matter of fact Steve Roberts and I were talking about how they run better as they loosen up since the tolerances from the factory are tight so they will last a longer time without a rebuild. I had 2 WKA legal flatheads and they were nothing but a money pit with a big mouth wanting rebuilds. For the amount of time spent on this engine and the fun I've had with it this season I wouldn't ever go back. If you get tired of the combo you can either move up to the Animal or find a place where they are running the mod clone. But for the price to find out if you like karting or not this is the class.
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Mike Pugh
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick the yellow and blue clone are made by the same company (lifan) just painted different. The black clone is the commercial grade one that Lewis sells for $135(made by the same company).
I have ran the blue and the black and can't tell the difference on the track allthough the black one seems to made better.

Instructions on governor removal that John posted awhile back.
http://www.georgiasprintkarting.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1849

And Chuck....I do not think your going to talk us out of the clone.
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Darrin Tebbe
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

metzgerov wrote:
Chuck McCue wrote:
You get what you pay for.
Yeah a Honda GX costs 4x more but lasts 20x longer, why not use the real thing?


Really? I have over a 1000 laps on my engine and just changed the oil and no problems.

Cant beat that for $100

As far as I know I dont know anyone that has had an engine failure in this class....it will happen but for the price reliability has so far been spectacular.


From what I've seen the weak point with our rules package is the valves and keepers. Eventually the soft valve stem will mushroom enough to cause the retainer to fail and drop a valve. But, I don't see that happening in just one season unless you are geared way too low and floating the valves way too much. And from what I hear, with stock parts the honda has the same problem.

DT
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DT the problem I see is the valve is softer than the valve lock. It will also fail quicker if you don't check your valve lash and keep it adjusted. End of year replace the engine or replace the valves and locks and do a valve job. Still cheaper than a rebuild just your decision on what you want to do. Anything mechanical will eventually have a life cycle and fail.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad the clone is working there, I guess the long straight at jax is not as forgiving as B;ville.
So as I understand some clones are legal some are not? and the Orig Honda is NOT legal?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick wrote:

Careful Chuck Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


Careful of what? Rolling Eyes
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