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Who's planning to run the series this year?
Micromax
15%
 15%  [ 3 ]
Minimax
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Junior
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Senior
40%
 40%  [ 8 ]
Masters
35%
 35%  [ 7 ]
DD2
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
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Brent Harper



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Location: Statesboro, Ga

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carl,
How many would we have to have per class to run them seperate???
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Carl Cottrell



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you ask me putting Angus in a Micromax now would get him two years in Rotax before switching to Minimax and Minimax is one of the most competitive classes in karting right now. Plus once he switches to Mini all you do is put back on the big radiator, big pipe and an intake restricter. The motors are so reliable once you buy the motor you shouldn't have to touch it for 3-4 years maybe longer.

Other benefits are electric start, fixed gear, spec tire and a sealed motor. The sealed motor means no modifications which keeps the cost down and ensures a level playing field.

I encourage you talk to some of the dads that are running Micro and see what they think (I am one Very Happy ). Most are coming from Kid Kart or Comer. There will be about 20 at Ocala, Fl March 7,8,9.

If you would like to try one out we'll have ours at the track on Saturday and Monday. Angus can give it a go and you can see for yourself.

Oh and BTW, most of the kids racing at a National level (Stars, etc.) have both motors. Just because you own a Cadet does not mean you can't buy a Micro and run it as well. There are some tracks that don't run Comer and some that don't run Rotax.

PS. I'm really kind of suprised Ihor recommended staying Comer. He ran Comer last year and told me personally he hated the class and switched to Mini.

Ihor, if you and Michael are interested I can as Race Director mandate Michael back to Micro. Think about it and let me know. I think the class is going to be bigger than Mini at Barnesville this year.
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Carl Cottrell



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brent, you can run Seniors class locally and Masters at Nationals. That is not a problem and I have verified that with CCRKC.
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John Wehrheim



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh and BTW, most of the kids racing at a National level (Stars, etc.) have both motors


Sure would like to know where you get these figures? I am sure there are drivers that have both, but to say most Rolling Eyes
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Ihor Bilyy
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadet and MiniMax are two different worlds.
Most Cadet teams racing in Stars or WKA Man Cup invested too much into Comer and usually race also HPV1 and Yamaha1. STARS events have smaller number of Cadets than WKA and with exception of Santino Ferucci, nobody else race in Rotax.

STARS 2007 total - 30 Comers;
Florida Winter Tour 2007 total - 44 MiniMaxes, 32 Comers;
WKA don't provide complete stats but we tried twice to qualify and both time unsuccessful, with 45+ entries.

Most MiniMax drivers have Comer engine just in case there is a national event in area to have additional seat time on known track (Chaponick or Tesoro as example).

So its slightly different from Carl said, most young drivers have Comers, but if they started in Rotax, Comer is mostly on a shelf.

We will race Comer in Barnesville only (+ autox, time permit) and MiniMax elsewhere (money permit).
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Carl Cottrell



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sure would like to know where you get these figures? I am sure there are drivers that have both, but to say most


I guess I should have said some Embarassed .

Instead I should have said most choose Rotax. Just look at the results at the FWT. 22 Cadets, 22 Micromax, and 38 Minimax.

John, I'll admit it. I am pro-Rotax. I tell everyone I know.This is the best class in karting bar none.
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Jeff Sikes
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Joined: 14 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have sold one comer 80 and put the other one in a box since trying the micro max! No need to have 3 motors in the trailer or sort thru 3000.00 comers to find one that will run up front. Just ask Carl, I was very skeptical about switching to the Micromax - no longer, we love it.

We may still run the comer in a race or two and will keep it for other tracks and for WKA stuff next year but having a motor that is competitive out of the box with everything you need to go racing included is really nice. Of course, running all over the track carrying a starter will be missed Wink
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Brent Harper



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we raise the Senior weight by 40lbs.????? Laughing
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John Wehrheim



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would agree that the MicroMax, MiniMax, etc are nice motors. But I have to disagree with you guys about the $3,000 Comer motors. Yes you need to have the motor built by a top tuner, like Doug Fleming, Woltjer or Mark Zartarian.

The fact is that many struggle in Comer, MicroMax and other lower HP motors because they simply do not know how to tune a chassis and or the driver is not capable of being in the top 10 or 20. These are momentum classes. If your kart is tight/bound up, you will be slow.

Another fact, your motor is only going to represent a few tenths. Chassis tuning and driver account for seconds.
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Jeff Sikes
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we are talking about different things here. It is true you can buy a comer motor for around 900.00 and send it to those builders for a blue print job that will cost another 1200.00 and run up front with a good driver and chassis tuner. I do know that some guys that run up front have spent 3000 for a motor because I have talked to them. The comer motors are a very low quality motor and the difference motor to motor can be huge (it was made to be a pump motor). Having said that, at B'ville, the motor is even less of an issue than the few 10ths you talk about because we have a short technical track without a huge 1000 foot straight where you need the "good motor". A out of the box comer 80 that has not been blue printed will win at Barnesville with the right driver.

Rotax on the other hand is a precision high quality motor. Sure motor to motor can have some small differences, but after running ours out of the box at the FWT on the long straights, it was just as good as any motor on the track.

I have seen the inside of both motors and the difference in quality is blatantly obvious. That is why some airplanes use the rotax and not the comer.

I personally think both classes are great. We own both motors and I completely agree the WKA national comer races are great but don't think you are going to run well without a good motor, at that level and that class a few 10ths are huge.

I think that some of the best racing this year at Barnesville will be in cadet class, but I also think that the Rotax is a much better motor which was the not so clear point in the last post I made. I also do love that start button being on the kart and not on a 10 pound weight in my hand!!!

The other thing I like about the Rotax is the fact you can use the same motor as you move up to the next age group with just small changes just like you can in the Yamaha. The comer 80 is a one class motor only.

I still like the Yamaha class best!! Tuning on a motor is just fun for me.
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